Tuesday September 22, 2009

 
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What my kids taught me about Victoria’s Secret

 

A couple of weeks back I was at the mall with my kids to buy a gift for my wife’s birthday. My 9 year-old, Charis, thought that a robe would be perfect. Everyone agreed. We began to list stores we might want to check out.  As we did, my youngest daughter, Faith, exclaimed “I know one store we aren’t going to visit – Victoria’s Secret!”  I wasn’t certain which concerned me more, the fact my five year-old was aware of Victoria’s Secret or that she had formed such a clear and passionate opinion about it.  Not entirely certain, I wanted to know more so I pressed ahead – “Why shouldn’t we go there?”, I asked. “Because they have pictures of women showing their private parts,” was the response of my children – incredulous at their father’s apparent cultural ignorance. They proceeded to look me in the eye and tell me, “Dad, those are things you shouldn’t look at either!”  I nodded my head in agreement as we all turned toward J.C. Penney’s.

Kids relish opportunities to teach their parents about life – and as a parent, I like that too.  In this case what I received wasn’t so much information about the pictures adorning Victoria’s Secret, but a reminder of the beauty of modesty through new eyes.

The Bible teaches us that we should dress and behave modestly.  It does this not out of prudish repression of our sexuality (God is very pro-sex), but rather out of both a desire for personal dignity as well as a love for others. Our dignity is diminished when we allow ourselves to be sexually objectified. We cease being seen as a complete person made in the image of God who is worthy of love and respect. We begin being seen as, and more tragically seeing ourselves as, merely an extension of someone else’s sexuality.

Don’t misunderstand me; it’s important to be attractive to one’s spouse or those with whom we are interested in pursuing a relationship. The dance of attraction, pursuit and embrace is a beautiful God-given gift that is meant to be enjoyed and even celebrated, but it is never meant to define us. Modesty preserves our dignity, our independence and our balance as a person.

How do you define modesty? Do you think its possible to be modest yet fashionable?

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  1. Stacy Goebel posted on September 22, 2009

    I think as women, it’s important to present ourselves well. There’s something excellent about a well put-together girl who is alive in God and inspired by Him. I think she understands her value to God and her role in the kingdom, and her outward appearance reflects that. “I have what she’s having!!” LOL

    Now, I’m not talking about a white-washed tomb. It’s possible to look good on the outside and having a rotting inner-life, but that’s another blog post.

    So, with the question of modesty, I hope we don’t interpret that as getting all frump’d out! I do believe we can be modest and fashionable. I think the key is to make sure we are covered up! Someone once told me a good rule of thumb (and forgive me boys for getting specific here…) is to make sure you are covered up three-sideways-fingers-wide from your cleavage! LOL. And I forget what the skirt/short length recommendation was… above the knee? And I think we need to pay attention to the fit of our clothes.

    Here’s my bottom line: be intentional about what we’re wearing. Look good and be smart. We’re totally capable of that, because we’re capable women!

    Prov. 31, baby!

    Hope this helps the discussion!

    1. Mark Chaffee posted on September 22, 2009

      Having a daughter who will be turning 14 in a few days means that the modesty issue is of hightened interest to me. I do believe it is possible to be fashionably in-touch well enough and remain modest at the same time, but we do always need to keep things in perspective. The definition of modesty has changed over time and will continue to change as society and culture morph year after year. There was a time when modesty was wearing a veil to cover one’s face. A time when faces were fine, but no skin apart from hands should be shown. A time when bathing suits were just that – “suits.” Modesty today is hiding one’s midriff and having pants that are high enough to cover any undergarments that may try and make a public apprearance.

      I am sure that the moderate dress of my daugther would be shocking to my grandparents were they alive, just as their moderate dress was likely offensive to their elders. I am fairly confident that I will shake my head in dismay as I see the attire of my grandchildren. I don’t think it is a coincidence that what we view as conservative was most likely not in the eyes of our parents.

      Perhaps the tolerence level of modesty is not a fixed point on the fashion scale – could it simply be a variable difference in the relationship between the common standard of acceptability and conservative “stepping back” as to not push the envelope too far? Or, is there a line drawn in the sand? A line we have been slowly approaching over centuries and millenia? Something certainly worth thinking about.

      1. Kathy B posted on September 22, 2009

        Interesting post today…I have been thinking about this lately. After viewing some definitions of modesty from the free online dictionary – “Reserve or propriety in speech, dress, or behavior,” it causes me to wonder just how aware we are of underlying motives and mindset whenever dressing for any occasion. I was present for our past weekend services and observed many things – mainly with what women were wearing and just how much chest and cleavage there was to view. Personally, this post is good for me to read and be reminded how important it is to dress with simplicity and without pretention. There are passages in I Timothy 2 and I Peter 3 to ponder. There are many times I want to wear tank tops and low-cut tops [which seem to have plenty of air and view] for my personal comfort when dealing with heat – for others it may be the “style” or “look.” It took some comments from my adult children to remind me of how important it is to be appropriately dressed at all times…roles reversed from when they were teens! Paul says, “…And I want women to be modest in their appearance. They should wear decent and appropriate clothing and not draw attention to themselves by the way they fix their hair or by wearing gold or pearls or expensive clothes. For women who claim to be devoted to God should make themselves attractive by the good things they do…assuming they continue to live in faith, love, holiness, and modesty.” So I am wondering if it is possible to be both modest and fashionable is today’s culture?
        I believe it is also possible to draw attention to oneself negatively in dress which is not a reflection of Christ. We are called to reflect his image! I echo what Stacy said “… There’s something excellent about a well put-together girl who is alive in God and inspired by Him. I think she understands her value to God and her role in the kingdom, and her outward appearance reflects that.”

        1. Erik B posted on September 24, 2009

          Scott, I am encouraged that your daughters are aware of the traps imposed by these types of clothing stores. We try to promote this with all of our children!

          As far as Mark stated about the definition of “modesty” changing over time, I can see some of it yes. But I refuse to accept, or let my children accept that we should change our views based on society.

          All to often people find themselves in the trap of “oh its not so bad, things used to be like x” .. In reality this is exactly the thought process Satan wants us to have…

          If he pushed to go from “veil” to “Bikini” it would have been rejected immediately! We cannot let ourselves give in to the temptation of “oh, well its not so bad” in the end it is our souls, and the souls of our children that are in jeopardy.

          Sadly this translates to every area of life… We find that the options of tv shows/movies to watch is diminished when you take into account what is deemed acceptable… In the late 90′s they started allowing partial nudity in PG-13 movies! I find this a disgusting practice! The only way things will keep from getting worse is if we do stand up and say “No, that is not acceptable”.

          1. Curtis Copeland posted on January 20, 2010

            Quite insightful about the true definition of modesty.

            Curtis

            1. dsmith77 posted on May 27, 2010

              Forgive me for being the voice of dissent but I find two problems with this post:

              First, this seems to me an oversimplification. I am not arguing against the importance of modesty but Victoria's Secret simply does not have "pictures of women showing their private parts". When I see or hear a phrase such as "pictures of women showing their private parts" I immediately think "pornography" as that is the accepted definition of the term. Objectively speaking (and we need more of this in Christian circles) the female models are all clothed, albeit skimpily. Thus presenting Victoria's Secret as a company that shows pornography in its stores is simply being dishonest.

              Secondly, the author is mixing two very different situations that the Bible treats as distinct. Yes, "the Bible teaches us that we should dress and behave modestly" in *public*. However in *private* and within the bounds of the marriage bedroom, going even so far as being fully unclothed is perfectly acceptable and even encouraged. (and necessary!) As Scott says, "God is very pro-sex" and He is. This important distinction was not made in the post.

              So which camp is Victoria's Secret in? I confess I've been in the store several times. All of them were with my wife save one occasion when I was buying her a present. I think the store is certainly very controversial, (and this is done on purpose for marketing reasons) but they do not deal in pornography. They sell their products to people who expect to be in intimate, private relations with one another not to people planning to be out in public.

              I can appreciate Scott's need to go along with his daughters' understanding of this complex issue, but I don't think the same logic should hold when engaging an audience of adults as in this post. Ultimately, I do not find Victoria's Secret offensive for being pornographic as stated and alluded to in this post. (Note that this does *not* mean they aren't offensive to me, just not for being pornographic or promoting public displays of immodesty.)

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